04 Jun [VIDEO] What is Enlightenment and How Do You Attain It?
If you ever wondered about what Enlightenment is really about, in this video we talk about what it is and how you can attain it. We dispel the falsehoods of Enlightenment taught in many self-development books about perfection and being all good.
Find out how you can attain Enlightenment and still have a rich, soulful and passionate life with love, success, wealth and health by practicing non-attachment.
Enlighten people get mad, they have bad days and they also know how to work with their mind to create harmony when they need it.
You can go further than just surviving in the ego-mind to becoming an advancing human being creating something amazing that is aligned with your true purpose in life.
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs shows how to move up the pyramid to higher levels of being. Your external results do not reflect your level of enlightenment. You can be very successful materialistically but not be evolved. There is no spiritual trick to manifest money, success or love. There is no quick fix to reach enlightenment.
Move from survival mind to enlightened mind – it is already within you to be enlightened. You already are the higher self and have that divine consciousness within you. You are just misperceiving your experience and misidentifying with the ego.
Enlightenment is a perception rather than a “doing” through action. Psychologically you need the right understanding. Carl Jung gave us a map of the mind and psyche and how you can navigate through yourself to discover the deeper part of you – the collective unconscious.
You are not an ordinary person. You are an amazing being.
Debi: Hi. This is Debi, Debi and Dr. Robin. I’m with Dr. Rob and we are going to talk today on the topic of, my favorite topic is enlightenment.
Dr. Robin: Wow.
Debi: What does it mean to be enlightened? Are you enlightened? We’ll find out. Are you enlightened?
Dr. Robin Maldonado: You go for the jugular. Enlightenment, first of all, it came to the west from the east obviously. Vivekananda, was the of the first ones to talk about it when he came in the early 1900’s. He’s from the Ramakrishna’s tradition of yoga, meditation, those kind of things. This idea of enlightenment entered the vocabulary of the west and it’s been around since then. What it means, obviously there’s a lot of different definitions of it, but our definition of it would be, someone who is self-actualized.
Now, self-actualization for us, it simply means this, you understand that you’re not your persona ego, your personality. There’s something deeper in you that you can express.
Debi: Now, don’t most people think that they’re spiritual? They say I have my higher self or my spiritual self or I have a soul. Does that make them enlightened?
Dr. Robin: Those are beliefs. There’s nothing wrong with beliefs. That’s how we start. We start by believing certain things and moving towards them, but really enlightenment is the realization of it, meaning you understand and you experience yourself as this other element in you besides your personality.
Debi: So, is a realization a what we call a direct experience where you have this clarity. You have a self-experience of it versus just reading the concept in a book or listening to a video like this and say, “Oh okay, I get that I’m a higher purpose.” Let’s talk about the ego for a minute. Why are we not wanted identify with the ego and why do we do identify with the ego? I know a lot of big questions here. [laughs]
Dr. Robin: Sure.
Debi: But you’re a Doc, you can handle it.
Dr. Robin: We never shy away from big questions, we love it. If you think about [unintelligible 00:02:32], the way we’re set up biologically, we’re born and thrown into this world and we experience ourselves as individuals. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s what we’re meant to experience ourselves as. As this body, as this individual who has action, who can take action in the world.
It works up to a certain point. Once you get the hang of survival and you got survival down there seems to be a need to go further than that. You can’t go further than that if you stay stock with the idea that all you are is the ego persona.
Debi: When we talk about survival it’s basically self-protection, the body, material things in life. You really just kind of like, “I got to make sure I’m making enough money and I’m paying my bills. I’m eating daily. I’m feeding my family.” [laughs]
Dr. Robin: Right the hierarchy needs like Maslow says.
Debi: Having a relationship, those type of things.
Dr. Robin: Yes. The first few layers of the pyramid, you got your biology down, your survival needs.
Debi: You’re breathing every day.
Dr. Robin: You got your self-esteem needs and your social needs met, but you want to keep going at the pyramid and up higher. Maslow talks about self-actualization, meaning, is there something else bigger than you? How that you can connect to besides just survival. A lot of people, even people that are doing very well, they’re still stock at that survival mode. They’re just using their success to protect themselves against those imagined threats from the external world.
Debi: You can have a million dollars so you can have a million dollar company and you’re still like rush [unintelligible 00:04:31], so attached to it. I remember one time you said to me once which I was like, “Wow that’s brilliant, because you’re so smart.” A rich person is attached to his mansion as much a poor person is attached to his cardboard box.
Dr. Robin: Absolutely.
Debi: Homeless person. It’s that same grasping of, this is my box, this is mine and you could have that. As a homeless person, you can have that as a millionaire. It has nothing to do with how much money you have. You can do this with relationships too. You can have a relationship, but if you’re holding on to it with the vice grip like this person is my survival, I’m floating in the ocean and they’re my life preserver. Then, you’re not really living, you’re just surviving and walking on egg shells and afraid to leave a marriage or relationship because it’s based on survival. So, so many people are afraid to make changes in their life, because everything they’ve built around them is to keep them comfortable in their you call it the little place by the fire, with the catch and the blanket. You’re just surviving.
Dr. Robin: The little hobbit home.
Debi: We’re meant for so much more. How can someone go from survival mind to enlightened mind? Can they do that in 24 hours? [laughs]
Dr. Robin: The great news is this; We already have everything we need in our mind. We’re given it freely. Even in eastern philosophy, it teaches that, “You are already are the higher self. You already have that divine consciousness within you. It’s simply that you’re misunderstanding and misperceiving your experience and you’re misidentifying with the ego.” That’s all. It’s really about correcting the misperception.
Debi: So, it’s more about perception than doing. A lot of people think they have to go to yoga retreat or meditation retreat and be in silence and find that inner peace. Of course, that’s a vehicle to do that. Really what you’re doing is you’re shifting perceptions. You don’t need to do that to get perception, to shift your perception, but you do need a practice to get there.
Dr. Robin: Absolutely. The truth is one, but the wise call it by many names. There’s a lot of ways to get there, but it’s all the same place. You can call it salvation. You can call it enlightenment, self-actualization. It’s the same place. You can get through it through many techniques like yoga meditation, spiritual practices or prayer. All those beautiful things. Psychologically, all you need is that right understanding and then you start taking action from that perspective.
Debi: This is why I love the Jung-Jung so much. Carl Jung, the Swiss psychologist gave us a map of the mind and the psyche. He talks about the ego and the persona and then the shadow. Through that work of just understanding ourselves and what we’ve been cultivating to survival then we’re able to move to the higher levels. It gives us this window into a deeper part of ourselves. He calls the collective unconscious which is our divine self or the big self that can give us wisdom and knowledge. It makes us feel that we’re not just this little tiny person, that we’re this great being. That’s why I live the psychology of Carl Jung. He gives us what he calls individuation where you’re individuating away from you ego.
I love what he said. I think he probably mentioned this too is, in a sunrise like in the sunset, “The beginning of our life is building up the ego and finding a way to survive.” The second part of our life after 35, depending on how long you live, is really about letting go with that ego, letting go with that conditioning and starting to become who we are. If you look at your life, it happens a little naturally but can do it much faster than waiting 30 years at the end of your life to say, “I’m awaken now.” You can do it faster. We’re built for it, it’s not only some people can be enlightened. You’re spiritual gifted and you have all the old soul qualities that give you this enlightenment. Every single person is enlightened. Even the worst person you know has the potential to be enlightened right now. It’s not about that pre-destined for certain people and not others.
Dr. Robin: That is great news for all the world.
Debi: For the world? [laughs]
Dr. Robin: That’s really our position that this is not just for few people. It’s for all of us. It’s not as hard as most people believe in. In other words, a lot of people asks us, “Is this going to take 20 years, 20, 30 years of hard work.” No, you already are the divine mind. Your consciousness is already intact. It’s never been anything else, but you need to
will do the work to realize it, to understand it and then to experience it in that direct way that you were saying, that direct experience something.
Debi: Well, I have one more question.
Dr. Robin: Absolutely.
Debi: What is an enlightened person look like? I think that is really where a lot of people think have an idea of what an enlightened person with, how you can recognize them?
Dr. Robin: Right, what is their life look like?
Debi: Yes, what is life look like, and how do they recognize their belief? I think a lot of people think that an enlightened person is never angry, and it is floating, and they don’t make money. They don’t borrow money,-
Dr. Robin: Oh, right they don’t.
Debi: -they’re living in this peaceful like, you getting too much. They are serving the world.
Dr. Robin: That’s a misunderstanding. That person has never existed.
Dr. Robin: It exists as an idea perhaps, but that person has never existed. It’s just human life, and from the external, it appears the same way, because the person has to breathe, has to work, has to sleep like everyone else.
Debi: So, you don’t have to leave your home or your family or any nothing-
Dr. Robin: Nothing like that.
Debi: -or even your job to be enlightened?
Dr. Robin: No.
Debi: You just what’s happening internally, your experience changes. You’re not as stressed anymore. You understand what you’re seeing, and actually, enlightenment helps you direct your life consciously versus just being led by the ego or led by that conditioning. It’s a beautiful thing, and also there’s not like a switch where you turn the alignment on, and then you’re enlightened, and everything is perfect. The enlightened person is constantly wrestling with their ego mind.
There’s a misperception that, “Oh, when you’re enlightened you’re not going to be worried anymore. You’re not going have any problems, you’re going to be blissful.” I remember one of our teachers at one of the Buddhist centers we went to. He would walk around, and they were like, “What’s going on today.” And he’s like rubbing his hands together saying, “I’m so excited I have so problems.” He uses the problems to go to a deeper level.
We don’t want to run away from life as an enlightened person. We don’t want to not have wonderful sex and have great money, and success and beautiful bodies, and all those things that we want from a human standpoint, but we also put it in its right place, and I think that’s the difference. We don’t make that the goal. We make enlightenment the goal and then the other stuff. We enjoy a lot more. It’s happier.
Dr. Robin: Yes, I would say also the enlightened person is not attached to those things. Now again, a lot of people misinterpreted a non-attachment as meaning they don’t care. It’s not that they don’t care, it’s that they understand the nature of this thing, that they’re temporary manifestations. We’re meant to enjoy these things, but they don’t define us, because first of all, they’re not going to last. They are temporary manifestations, and we’re meant to enjoy them in the moment and let them go.
Debi: That’s really the beauty of enlightenment is to– I think we enjoy it more when we’re less attached. We feel freer, and I guess put a wrap around. Summary of this is enlightenment is really a freedom of mind. Where your mind is free to create what you want, and not weighed down by the ego and the needs and the fears of just our human nature. It’s a beautiful thing.
Dr. Robin: Absolutely.
Debi: We offer enlightenment in a box, [laughs] if you’re interested. I’m Just kidding. Just join us and debiandrob.com and find out more about how you can become enlightened yourself.
Dr. Robin: See you next time.
Debi: Take care.
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